The most wanted and possible (1).
Section: EFREEZE Mod | Started by: atrey | Date: 13/12/2008 01:12
For really, guys. Let's discus what we want NOW!!! As the next feature to add. Don't tell about snow flakes or smth. Just real stuff in the gameplay, UI.
Remove green models and that stuff, keep standard blue and red so people can play like a real man : )

@ che, i already have it turned off, i want others to not have the ability, coz it's easier to spot greens and it's all gay : )
Only thing is the amount of through shots.. everything else is fine, but its so frustrating to know you've killed someone twice but because it's gone through you end up being the one to die..




no clue if that's fixable though ;p



other than that i really don't see any problems in the game at all, if you don't like enemy models turn them off.. easy..



oh well actually, other thing would be the ability to mute players for your own game (ie non-admin command to turn off someones chat..but only for your own client ofc, everyone else can hear them if they choose to not mute..) for example i dont wanna hear some fake name polak spamming crap in caps every time he dies.


but again.. pretty sure that's a tall order, donno if it's possible
Yeah, kinda the same as Cheetos but for turning off the audio playback for 'vsay' commands? They're so annoying, especially when people spam them.
im sure there is a command for it... but i cant remember most of the commands although i used to know them a very long time ago when i used to play lol

 


There already are ef_novoicechatbeep and ef_nochatbeep commands or something similar.


Atrey, I already made several suggestions to protect thawsteal, and I would gladly provide one to avoid spam. Such options could be defaulted to disabled as they would consume more computation (so CPU) resources on the server.


I do not know how feasible and easy it is to implement them but I'd gladly join you and help in developping them.


 

ef_novoicechats

well atrey, its all there on "collecting new ideas for efreeze"! I tried to sum up the points and highlight the important ones for you! U can thank me later :p


ADD: new scoreboard (NN!?)


ADD: player score and thaws stays the same when changing team (e.g. from red to blue) (req: many)


ADD: unlagged grapple (req: fndr)


ADD: eFreeze settings menu


FIX: frozen body colors (req: atrey)


FIX: inactivity drop (req: andi)


FIX: spawnings (great idea about spawning at items location) (req: andi, insanity)


ADD: different spectating views: ego, third person, free float (req: andi)


ADD: possibility for team players models to not be forced as one model (req: andi)
ADD: smaller fonts on HUD (req: andi)
ADD: sudden death gauntlet option (req: andi)
ADD: "Accuracy" sound for killing 3 players in a row (req: andi)
ADD: different triangular on team players (req: andi) - maybe a "frost sign"?
ADD: new hook (osp alike) (req: andi)


27. "A" letter to mark admin


28. Muting whole server ( only team_say allowed ) for cws


29 ad_tellblue, ad_tellred, ad_tellspec, ad_telladmin


31. Some nice field to type password when connection in server ( i never saw something like that in other mods :P )


32 ad_readyall for forcing /ready


- server news (like in osp when player enters to server, they see info/news box)


- when u spectate, person name is not as big as it is now. (player name text blocks so much from the screen)


- voting and fraggedmessage smaller


- timeout option (all players freeze - could be usefull during cw's if problems comes)


- map_list command what shows what maps server has (it prints to console)


- new efreeeze connection image (i can make one - using my previously known frozen


make it possible to check /wall 1 in efreeze to make it easier to look at demos


#make new/different design skins for the railgun :p


/reconnect prevent people from this abusive command!


remove this "weapon drop"?


add vision „autothaw percentage“


when spectating players (when you are frozen) and you get hit by gauntlet/rail the spectator mode jumps to the one who hit you


When i play i force models, enemies to green keels and teamates in whatever i want. But sometimes (especially in clan wars) when i spec 333 i see them as enemies (green keels) whereas id prefer to watch them as teammates


make same protection as on 1.32 pb /name flood protect, /vsay flood protect... /reconnect protect


make /min /max borders for settings like /maxpackets /rate /snaps


don't know if it's easy to make or not... but it would be cool to have some more color-options


 


/peace


 

andi - the fragged message being smaller is already possible with a command.. just can't remember which this is :f (will look it up when i havent just woken up ;p)
28. Muting whole server ( only team_say allowed ) for cws

Only one i didn't like, Why?

This was it will make it harder to make a switch with a team mate in spec, if not impossible : D

Ban it ffs.
As Monkey said basic q3 models ;p at least an option to use those settings instead those osp/cpma like ;p !

+old style frozen colors.

+ what Andi highlighted :).

i know this is a bit off topic - but here i am sure some more read it :D , but what i would want (and have said it a 1000times) is to have a complete new set of maps!


we have been playing the same maps like what? 7 years? and yet noobs, yes noobs! only vote for dm2-dm7. it is the same everyday every hour every time i connect. except weed server!


new maps make the game more interesting as new maps and their spawns must be learned and new tactics could arise. also the very good teams (thats maybe why they will cry about it) would loose strength because for all new maps would mean new challenges.


its hard i know, cause people (again noobs btw) change server when they dont get the map they want (reminds me of very small kids too) :p anyway all servers would need to set them up and all people would have to help to spread new maps.


which maps? i know this is not true new map = good map. we would have to check out many new ones to get a good set of them. i am sure many of you have some "diamond" maps deep down in their folders, we must just dig them out!


and why it's not completely off topic ---> while atrey (and others?) create the new mod we find good maps and they must be in efreeze version so when one gets the new mod they get the new maps too, the size would be big but thats not a problem now is it?


--------> come on guys back me up and help, together - yes we can! :p

osp map owns, many of us now know osp8 and osp11 but there are others very good, let's take them to rotation ffs.
Tantrum is a map i like+cpm maps ( cpm1 to cpm9 ) + and then we have the simpson map, ROFL, i have it, DoomDirk also, we tried it, but can't load/work : ( it is over 60 mb big about, but would own like hell. But the other maps i mentioned, focus on them ; )
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pSylle Told :
ef_novoicechats

Posted on 13 December 2008 at 23:49:00



ok thanks psylle and ben :)
Really really easy thing to do : changing crosshair color and/or size during reload
Andi, pin the list in the first post of this thread. Then make the changes as the discussed things are negotiated.

Here I will comment on the list items:



* New scoreboard. I asked Spiral to design a new scoreboard layout. But it seem like he went to inactive for a long time. So, we need some1 who could make it instead of Spi. This feature is not as hard to implement. Though it will require a lot of coding. To this thing a new game display layout is needed (IMHO) which would be usable and convenient.


* player score and thaws stays the same when changing team. Already done.


* unlagged grapple. Requires an approach how to implement it. NoNE has an idea how, I just didn't started to think. Can be hard.


* eFreeze settings menu. This is to the first item in list. There shall be just our own eFreeze-style game look.


* (default) frozen body colors. Fixed.


* inactivity drop. There is already implementation for that.


* spawnings (great idea about spawning at items location). I think we rather should add more spawn places to the maps (edit them).


* possibility for team players models to not be forced as one model. Easy.


* different spectating views. Not quite clear.


* smaller fonts on HUD. To the first item.


* sudden death gauntlet option. Not quite clear.


* "Accuracy" sound for killing 3 players in a row. Should be easy.


* different triangular on team players (req: andi) - maybe a "frost sign". Gimme the image I will integrate it.


* new hook (osp alike). To the first item.


* "A" letter to mark admin. Should be easy.


* Muting whole server. Monkey is right. Need to workout a better solution.


* ad_tellblue, ad_tellred, ad_tellspec, ad_telladmin. Easy.
* Some nice field to type password when connection in server. Hmmm. Interesting :)


* ad_readyall for forcing /ready. Easy.


* server news (like in osp when player enters to server, they see info/news box). Need Adam to comment on it.


* when u spectate, person name is not as big as it is now. To the first item.


* voting and fraggedmessage smaller. To the first item.


* timeout option (all players freeze - could be usefull during cw's if problems comes). Yes, I also though about 999-timeout. Should be easy.


* map_list command what shows what maps server has (it prints to console). I'd rather introduce a new var for map rotation. Now map rotation is made by scripting. Maybe we should add a dedicated var for that.


* new efreeeze connection image. To the first item.


* make it possible to check /wall 1 in efreeze to make it easier to look at demos. Not quite clear.


* #make new/different design skins for the railgun :p. Such activities are always welcome.


* /reconnect prevent people from this abusive command! Fixed. Introduced a time-out after connection before a player can enter the game.


* remove this "weapon drop"? Why?


* add vision „autothaw percentage“. This can be a visual effect instead. Need to discuss it further.


* when spectating players (when you are frozen) and you get hit by gauntlet/rail the spectator mode jumps to the one who hit you. Should be not as hard.


* When i play i force models, enemies to green keels and teamates in whatever i want. But sometimes (especially in clan wars) when i spec 333 i see them as enemies (green keels) whereas id prefer to watch them as teammates. Need to think about it.


* make same protection as on 1.32 pb /name flood protect, /vsay flood protect... /reconnect protect. Describe it more detailed.


* remove this "weapon drop"? Why?

Yes why Abz, coz when i have fired my 999 rails i need more ammo : (
No I agree, everyone always is stealing my weapon drop when I kill someone. It's unfair !
Especially BOLO.
* timeout option (all players freeze - could be usefull during cw's if problems comes). Yes, I also though about 999-timeout. Should be easy.

steal it from maverick? :P (1.16 noghost developer .. shouldnt be a problem - includes timeout where players can still run just rails dont do damage nor any effect on your stats & pause which stops all game movements except mouse moves. after timeouts players spawn at spawnpoints, pause they just go back to normal movements)
good doomy, also DR should try beat real S8 on real maps.
lol
Monkey Told :
good doomy, also DR should try beat real S8 on real maps.


The only map we've lost, we were winning 13-8 and we've done many mistakes at the end. Be fair play monkey, accept your defeat :-)
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Next time i will have headsets and it will be way2ez :D

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I'm in the vid as well monkey!! The one with the blue suit!
rofl

Aahahahah ='D always makes me laugh!!


@Atrey: ask adam about updating efreeze anti-cheat, we found some bugs (no cheats and it found one in logs) but more, it doesnt find many.

Let's all transfer money to Atrey's account so he updates Efreeze.
Wow! That's interesting proposal, Code. :)

noghostlike timeout sucks. better do ufreeze/cpma like.


 


why it sucks? Imagine this situation: dm6, 1v5, everyone is on bridge. Then 1 player presses "pause" button, then after unpausing, this one player is spawned near frozen teammates ;)

ok, i only commented on the points you mentioned as not clear! pin the list? I hope this helps you further <3


atrey Told :

Andi, pin the list in the first post of this thread. Then make the changes as the discussed things are negotiated.


* inactivity drop. There is already implementation for that. but it doesnt work!!!

* spawnings (great idea about spawning at items location). I think we rather should add more spawn places to the maps (edit them). great idea!

* different spectating views. Not quite clear. i mean: thirdperson, freefloat, follow - adam pls help my in which mod this is for a good example.
 


* sudden death gauntlet option. Not quite clear. player dies on first gauntlet touch as option.


* different triangular on team players (req: andi) - maybe a "frost sign". Gimme the image I will integrate it. T <--- something like this!far more fitting and more nice than the triangular, but still simple.

* Muting whole server. Monkey is right. Need to workout a better solution. true.


* make it possible to check /wall 1 in efreeze to make it easier to look at demos. you record a demo, play it in freezedt /cg_playwall 1 and you see the game with wallhack, so you can check if one is wallhacking much better!

* #make new/different design skins for the railgun :p. Such activities are always welcome.

* remove this "weapon drop"? Why? cause they are disturbing!

* add vision „autothaw percentage“. This can be a visual effect instead. Need to discuss it further. when you see a frozen teammate, you see his percentage of autothaw maybe beneath/above his name "thawed 33%" for example with visual countdown. just an idea.

* when spectating players (when you are frozen) and you get hit by gauntlet/rail the spectator mode jumps to the one who hit you. Should be not as hard. ye, out with it :p

* make same protection as on 1.32 pb /name flood protect, /vsay flood protect... /reconnect protect. Describe it more detailed. flood protect: you cant press 100names in a row anymore, same with vsay's


Posted on 15 December 2008 at 15:27:27


for all design stuff we need skilled pwnage volunteers. I think there are some in the community, we just need to find and activate them! apart from spiral, code seems to have skill, others? go go go!

* sudden death gauntlet option. Not quite clear. player dies on first gauntlet touch as option.
kurwa polak Abz, i think 1 touch is too little, It could get very annoying in the long run, imagine u got 3 sick ppl doing it whole map(s), hook like hell, ur game will be ruined, it's 3 touches today, why not something in between > 2 touches?

It must be your new age Abz, damn ur so radical these days!
aye 1 touch is way too little



2 touches are also low, sometimes pummel can 'double hit' within like 0.1 seconds... dying to a weird glitch-like feature would be frustrating





i dont really know when this would be good to implement if you just wanted stand offs to be decided by pummel when its last v last... but the idea is a bit random - dont really know why it would be useful, only for fun random matches

well ok leave it then, 2 is nice though :p
why do you want change current gameplay? Hook was already changed at begining of efreeze, then u started to mess with rail reload time, so now its time for gauntlet... LEAVE GAUNTLET ALONE! it will suck in connection with 0ms wp-change time
adamek for king <3
2 touchs would add fun. Noone use gauntlet seriously currently (I don't speak about the slovenian player =P Noone handsome !).
Possible volunteers with programming skills:



Myself

333Ben

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oh noes, not new spawnplaces... What will the best players of 1v1 (dm17) do?

2 touches won't add fun.


There are many situation, where are many people in same place, hooking near players. 2 Hits are easier than railing

if you can all argue about gauntlet so much it seems all other suggestions i made are perfect! I dont care much about gauntlet, it just was an idea. leave it then if adam gets sad, the gameplay could be made a bit slower maybe. the other points i mentioned i find very useful (almost all) - comment on them too! dont you like my ideas? :p

make gameplay slower? u mean g_speed? fuck off! This is what makes quake fun, speed and no lagg with FPS !
i have to agree with Monkey, gameplay is fine as it is.
i just thought that insta-gaunt is not so really nice feature. cause it will provoke some players to sit in hidden corners and attack from behind. that would really kill all the fun in the end.
I see u want make shit with efreeze ;] Good job!
kawa! ever heard of "constructive" critisism? this thread is to make the mod better, and for discussion, so dont tell "you shit up the mod" but tell us what you like and what not, surely not all suggestion seem bad to you know, do they? ;) :)
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If i may add my 2 cents, there aint much to add, efreeze is a good mod right now.


Maybe adding some gadgets, and some cfg restrictions: why do i feel like pinging 70 when i have 20ms. More: i never reach 20 ping even on quasi-lan servers (near french servers are always 30-35, never less) The point is i dont know how other players make it, but i shoot through them and i dont lag, that is a real thing since im aiming the same way i was aiming 8 years ago, but i dont hit. There must be some kind of lag stuff in the code or something. And the weirdest is that sometimes, it works like before....Depending on what? Too much beer? Or am i right?

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Thanks monkey and shark... I wish you all a very nice xmas with a lot of present, and I hope you will enjoy this moment :-) See you soon on battleground ;-)
i have the same thing psylle :)

fixing spawns is really important, yesterday in dm8 i spawned beside a thaw - good, a sec later an enemy spawned and fragged me in my thawing back. the map is big as you know but the enemy spawned exacetly at my place.... isnt it better that team members spawn where most of his team is?


what can be done about not hitting with the rail? is it that you need better position calculating of players, or rail shot calculating, or better packets/rate/snaps... or a mixture  between unlagged and normal?...

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hey programmers/designers/creators you still with us here? how is it proceeding? ;> :p
There were/are coming holidays mate :D

If good servers are coming, we could redesign the eFreeze from scratch ... It would take me personally less time than figuring out how atrey changed everything and moved everything elsewhere and also new coders could be introduced, start coding and figuring code easily ... We could have whole newly coded eFreeze with new features created in a month ... Also if more of us gonna code it, we could design things together, talk about it together and build it as efficiently as possible (more heads knows more) ... That way all coders will know where is which stuff coded, so they can easily continue without the help of others ... Also if we start coding from scratch we could also find the cause of the shooting through players people are reporting and fix similar problems which are now hard to find/fix ...



I personally have more time now for the non-business related projects, so if atrey, ben, code are interested as they were in past, we could get that started in january and finish it fastly ...
sounds perfect  (!) (i) (o) - mr. sva you on board? :p
absinthe Told :

fixing spawns is really important, yesterday in dm8 i spawned beside a thaw - good, a sec later an enemy spawned and fragged me in my thawing back. the map is big as you know but the enemy spawned exacetly at my place.... isnt it better that team members spawn where most of his team is?


what can be done about not hitting with the rail? is it that you need better position calculating of players, or rail shot calculating, or better packets/rate/snaps... or a mixture  between unlagged and normal?...



Posted on 26 December 2008 at 11:10:43


Oh yeaaaaaa i understand what you mean there--->i have my own spawn point in my ass.....


Please no unlagged.


We foud that à xmas party, the scoreboard didnt showed the 30 ppl!!!

I said it, I can help
the rail miss thing has a strange nature. during the time i was working on ef-1.2 i found that mod built from the sources differs in shooting from the already compiled 1.02 mod. and this was even without any code changes from me!!! so i untroduced the delta mechanism which in my opinion smoothed that difference. it could be easily removed. but!!!! it definetely will make shooting on high pings harder.

we (miss, other rus clans) now playing with pings 60-100. it is already a disadvantage for us to play with such ping. with the delta removed, it would be an even bigger disadvantage.

i don't know if some1 cares about it, but we most probably either will not play any more, or will challenge others on our moscow or saint-petersburg servers, where others will have 120 ping. then tell us it will be unfair.

i vote for the shooting to stay as it is. it is not for players with ping 10-30 to complain about it. ask burzyk and tokz how do they shoot normally. or try to change the cl_timenudge variable.
Marko, to say what i've done with the code (briefly):


1. I got clean q3 arena code from the 1.32 sources.

2. I've applied the freezedt-150b patch on it.

3. I've made a diff between efreeze-1.02 and the freezedt.

4. I've cleaned the patch by removing all the unimportant stuff (whitespaces, comments, etc).

5. I've applied the resulting patch on the freezedt tree. So, I've got efreeze-1.02 mod which has the q3 1.32 codebase (you can see it by looking at the servers menu).

6. I've applied my changes to the sources. So, I've got ef-1.2.


I setup a git repository where you can see all the changes. If you need I can pm an address to you.

Making 100 pings play like they have 50 ping is a nice improvement IF that doesnt make 30 pingers shot like they have 70!


I dont pay my isp to have correct ping to feel a lag in my favorite mod =/

30 certainly isn't playing like 70 psy - when i go on an english server and go from having the normal 55-65 ping to having 30.. its heaven ;p if 30 seems laggy for you i would look for anything else that could be causing it




and meh for what atrey said, possible to meet a new solution/compromise with more people coding maybe? i know absolutely nada about this stuff but maybe its possible to turn things on/off so during a war it can be on, public servers off?

if 30 seems laggy


you should host your own server and see how 0 is.


otherwise its just fps lags and a shit computer <3

psy, sure it is really in your settings. when i play at ~30 ping at moscow server i feel happy to not be concerned about different things when shooting. this delta just can't make 30 ping to feel like 70, it likely do ping 30 to feel like 15. it may be just some side-effect of other stuff.
of course we care about it atrey, as russians have become a part of the community for a longer time now, and it would just be dull if we loose all russian clans! as said a fair solution for all needs to be found! we should apart from the mod make a "custom cfg" with all settings being as good as they can be and instructions on changes made by players. i mean dont touch fov or enemymodels but the settings like rate, snaps.... should be already on the needed values with instructions what happens if you change them so ALL players can get that cfg and start from there!

atrey Told :

the rail miss thing has a strange nature. during the time i was working on ef-1.2 i found that mod built from the sources differs in shooting from the already compiled 1.02 mod. and this was even without any code changes from me!!! so i untroduced the delta mechanism which in my opinion smoothed that difference. it could be easily removed. but!!!! it definetely will make shooting on high pings harder.

we (miss, other rus clans) now playing with pings 60-100. it is already a disadvantage for us to play with such ping. with the delta removed, it would be an even bigger disadvantage.

i don't know if some1 cares about it, but we most probably either will not play any more, or will challenge others on our moscow or saint-petersburg servers, where others will have 120 ping. then tell us it will be unfair.

i vote for the shooting to stay as it is. it is not for players with ping 10-30 to complain about it. ask burzyk and tokz how do they shoot normally. or try to change the cl_timenudge variable.

Posted on 29 December 2008 at 10:06:20


 


hitting on higer ping is harder now, than it was on old efreeze.

I have a guess its not coming from my cfg, but from the target cfg...


Snaps 40


Maxpackets 100


Rate 25000


Timenudge 0


8 years with that, no probs.

adam*pl Told :

atrey Told :


the rail miss thing has a strange nature. during the time i was working on ef-1.2 i found that mod built from the sources differs in shooting from the already compiled 1.02 mod. and this was even without any code changes from me!!! so i untroduced the delta mechanism which in my opinion smoothed that difference. it could be easily removed. but!!!! it definetely will make shooting on high pings harder.

we (miss, other rus clans) now playing with pings 60-100. it is already a disadvantage for us to play with such ping. with the delta removed, it would be an even bigger disadvantage.

i don't know if some1 cares about it, but we most probably either will not play any more, or will challenge others on our moscow or saint-petersburg servers, where others will have 120 ping. then tell us it will be unfair.

i vote for the shooting to stay as it is. it is not for players with ping 10-30 to complain about it. ask burzyk and tokz how do they shoot normally. or try to change the cl_timenudge variable.

Posted on 29 December 2008 at 10:06:20


 


hitting on higer ping is harder now, than it was on old efreeze.



Posted on 29 December 2008 at 12:41:13


much easier on freezedt or freezeinstaunlagged<3 =]

@Psylle: Ye, thats one of reasons too


@Crissy: Ye, but they told me, freezeinsta=freezedt with renamed folder, but i dont believe'em! xD

Isnt that "shoot throu" problem linked to the "walk through other players" aka "i spawn within another player" thing?


Something like "server-side players locations infos" ?

The thing is atrey, I've built the mod on it's originally organized source which is provided by ID Software and on which Freeze Tag was built ... I got used to it, I was also helping coding some other mods which were built the same way (organized the same) ... A lot is organized totally different now and I'm lost ... I need hours to go through where u made changes, where is the same stuff located now, etc etc ... Of course for you, it's easier, in your opinion now is better organized, but that's because you're used to it, I'm not ... For me before was better organized, I knew where every function was located, now I need look for it around, etc etc ...
When I built the mod I had in my mind to build it in a way most mods are, so if anybody who've ever looked at a source from ID Software would know exactly where to make new changes in the eFreeze source, as it was organized the same ... I just put comments where changes or new stuff was built, sometimes without saying what it is ...

>I know I'll hear from you how much easier and better organized it is now, but for me it's not, hope you understand that ... And by that I don't mean to offend you, hope you didn't take it that way ... :)



As for the smooth shooting you've created ... I haven't checked what was changed, but I'm encountering same problem as pSylle is saying ... I rather play on 36 to 58 ping than 31-33 ... I can't just aim at a player and shoot, as it misses or goes through ... I see the trail right into him, but he just doesn't die ... Of course with a timenudge on 0 at that ping and everything set as it should be ...


Anyway, need to check what you've made differently at shooting to give more suggestions ... But guess it's too much things involved that it would be able to create that server would just check if a players has this command set on it would work for him and not others ...



To go to Svarog, here it's not whether you can or can not help, it's either you want or not help ... :-)



And Adam, FreezeDT is FreezeInsta with built in modifications ... A modfied one ...

@Nonek: Probably i've on hdd efreeze with unlocked delta, so u can try it "in action"

I will help in this direction ---->


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Is there any chance of including timestamps on each line of text in the console or would that have to be done directly in the Q3 Source ?

Code Told :

Is there any chance of including timestamps on each line of text in the console or would that have to be done directly in the Q3 Source ?

Posted on 04 January 2009 at 02:12:26


It's possible and added to the features request list. A complete timestamp sounds kindda big, though why not. Here is its description, please correct me if i'm wrong:


Chat timestamp: Ability to add a timestamp at the start of a chat line (whether vsay, say or say_team). Four format possible (e.g. 4th July 1776 13:12:43):
- 1 (short_time): "13:12"
- 2 (long_time): "13:12:43"
- 3 (short_date): "4/12 13:12"
- 4 (long_date): "04/12/1776 13:12:43"

anti p2p at gameplay ;p or nvm lol. tho making a general rules note for dummies. ;p only ideas ;p dont hit me... xD