Collecting ideas for next version of eFreeze
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EFREEZE Mod |
Started by: none |
Date: 26/01/2008 00:19
Hey guys!!!
It's time to create and put some new changes in eFreeze and fix most, if not all problems from previous versions... I'm AGAIN collecting new or not implemented ideas to be done in next version of eFreeze. Now it's time to get your idea(s) implemented in the mod, as they're GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED SOON!, so don't miss that chance ...
I'll be updating this post with the ideas, so far:
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ADD: new sexirish scoreboard (this is gonna be a big surprise for new version
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ADD: player score and thaws stays the same when changing team (e.g. from red to blue) (req: many)
ADD: admin scoreboard with features: clientnumbers (could be more, give ideas) (req: monkey)
ADD: unlagged grapple (req: fndr)
ADD: eFreeze settings menu
ADD: default like mod without cfg (req: psylle)
FIX: frozen body colors (req: atrey)
ADD: redesigned look of q3 menus (req: atrey)
FIX: crosshair color problems (req: adam)
ADD: server-side demos (req: adam)
ADD: rcon, admin executed commands in logs (req: adam)
ADD: possibility to rail more than 2 ppl with one rail shot (req: adam)
ADD: statistics (stats all, blue, red) (req: adam)
ADD: players counter over teamscore (req: adam)
ADD: voting custom configs by /callvote config pasztetka.cfg (req: adam)
ADD: disallowed maplist voting (req: adam)
ADD: anticamp (req: many)
ADD: ef_clientversion, ef_serverversion (req: adam)
ADD: info/motd box (req: spiral)
ADD: new connection image (req: spiral)
ADD: new voting system, spectators can vote, percentages for pass could be changed, etc
FIX: inactivity drop (req: andi)
FIX: spawnings (great idea about spawning at items location) (req: andi, insanity)
ADD: different spectating views: ego, third person, free float (req: andi)
ADD: possibility for team players models to not be forced as one model (req: andi)
ADD: smaller fonts on HUD (req: andi)
ADD: sudden death gauntlet option (req: andi)
ADD: "Accuracy" sound for killing 3 players in a row (req: andi)
ADD: different triangular on team players (req: andi)
ADD: new hook (osp alike) (req: andi)
Fix: all settings back to default q3, and all new features tweaked (i remind thats a good idea from nn reb)
Keep: the client numbers work now.
Add: disable polish language on servers
But could you disable polish swearings? That would be something
NOTE: say, vsay bug is fixed.
* FIX: freezed body colors
* ADD: redesigned look of q3 menus (just stylish change, req. mine)
1.r_picmip 5 + ef_crosshaircolor 2 = crosshair dissapears
2. server-side demos recording
3. Try do not change shooting physic
4. Fix spawns ( same spawns or guys are spawning and blocking themselfs in one spawn )
5. Fix logging, coz rcon and admin commands arent logged in game log
or just separate logs for admin cmds )
6. Block wp_railreloadtime
7. Fix shooting - it's impossible to kill more than 2 ppl by one shot
8. update cheat cvars and take additional cvars from .txt file
9. Blocked swedish swearing by mod
10. Blocked 60% of poland by mod
11. Statistics shown by /stats all, /stats blue, /stats red, /stats
statistics = i want see how many times i got killed =)
12. /players command, which show network settings of all, their status ( muted/unmuted )
13. /pause, but not for all players, just for admins.
14. Downloading cheat.log by q3
15. Players counter over teamscore >>>
16. strange thing with players, especially on dm17, i cant atm specify wtf, but i'll make screenies
17. fix /activeaction bug
18. GTV multiview - GTV specs can choose by themself who they want to watch
19. Coaches
20. Speclocks
21. Voting custom configs by /callvote config blabla
22. (dis)Allowed maplist ( should help with voting dm0 or test_bigbox )
23. In credits, change Arkain to Arcain
24. soon
only bugs i can think of atm: /inactivity drop not working properly / fix spawning 2 persons in one! maybe introduce different spectating views: ego/third person/freefloat - teamspec only???! make standard for colors? /Cg_enemycolors, /ef_enemycolors? ---> review modelsettings and think of a good way
------------------> communicate with each other! None/psy/spi/mathew/atrey/adam/... whoever capable of good contributing/knowledge of programming! make a mailing list.
oO
and Insa, coz he's always spamming me about cl_timenudge.
He says, it works different on efreeze 1.02, 1.2.0 and FreezeDT
25. Anticamp ( Atrey reminded me :P )
26. ef_clientversion and ef_serverversion were in 1.2.0RC and dissappeared in 1.2.0FINAL
ye swedish swearings are so common! 1 swear word per month, and ppl don't even know what
swedish swearing words looks like. Polish swearings have occured 24/7 in servers for 356 days * 9 years and
the words aren't changing, i think i speak for the rest of us.
and if u wanna ban swedish swearings, go ahead!
just let me skip hearing this pl cursing, thank you!
well, main reason is there is XXX more polaks than swedish guys :P
i dont like it too, and the worst thing is i understand every word =///
Anyway - it's efreeze topic, so let's back to it 
27. "A" letter to mark admin
28. Muting whole server ( only team_say allowed ) for cws
29 ad_tellblue, ad_tellred, ad_tellspec, ad_telladmin
30. i want kebab
31. Some nice field to type password when connection in server ( i never saw something like that in other mods :P )
32 ad_readyall for forcing /ready
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-6qH_-0fY_Y yes and let's go back to efreeze topic : D
Please do not add additionnal constraints and/or change the game. No anticamp for instance. If people want to camp, so be it. Camping is as much part of the game as hooking. Do not restrain weaponchange delay as somebody said but set a default value tho I guess it's already the case (then this would mean whoever changes it is aware of the consequences, so whoever criticizes a different weaponchange delay should just either create his/her own server or join another one).
Also, about languages: You can't prevent two polish people from talking polish to one another. This would be a private convo and it doesn't seem unappropriate to have private convos in q3 (even tho msn best suits that purpose). BUT, obviously some people do abuse the lax of moderation. The only thing we can do imho is lay down the rules clearly so everybody knows which server is european and which is polish. Also, adding responsible administrators (ones who don't kick people just because they have fun (and yes, fun may be faking a friend's name to some weird northern people () (and yes, I'm pointing out some specific story without naming it (and yes, I should stop opening parentheses))))
Best regards and keep up the GREAT work, guys.
PS: If you need a hand, I'm a talented developper (no kidding, sorry for being honest and not humble here).
number 28 is gay porn all over the place ffs : )
and anticamp is not good either.
ben, i was just sarcastic when i said ban polish language on servers, but i was
serious when it came to disable polish swearings.
Ben, do you remember dm4 in match exs vs s8 ?
Anticamp WAS useful and will be useful, if it's gonna be used correctly
reload time: It was wrong decision to make it changeable. Same with hook. Coz ppl changed on 1 public server and they were laming around when it comes to cw.
I dont like fast hook - i can leave it and dont use
i dont like fast rail - sure, i can use gauntlet!
Honestly, no, I don't remember every map of every match I've played so how could I remember matches I neither played nor attended?
I don't see the point of forcing people not to camp. I don't see the point of adding constraints to restrain players from doing something they might want to do. But I'd be glad to hear another POV and be confronted, so please, Adam, explain to me why you think an anticamp should be added.
Dan, I don't see your point about polish swearings. Who cares weither people swear in their natural language or in english? Do you find "sh*t" sexier than "m*rd*"? Or is it just polish swearings which annoy you?
Theres already an anticamp command, and we dont use it.
Psylle: there was anticamp command, but None removed it :P
Ben: why we should? same way why we let ppl change railgun speed, and other settgins, which are changing gameplay ( Hook without delay is really making game annoying, but after X years im used to it )
I dont know if we missunderstand, i want add it as option, not force it to always on
like it was in efreezebeta >
set g_anticamp "0"
set g_anticampTime "5"
set g_anticampMessage "Move or die ]:>"
set g_anticampWarningMsgTime "3"
New scoreboard coming? o.O. Nice but it would be nice to have option to use this older one too! Just in case if ppl prefers it u know. Player score and thaws stays by changing teams is good addon! I got some suggestions too:
- server news (like in osp when player enters to server, they see info/news box)
- when u spectate, person name is not as big as it is now. (player name text blocks so much from the screen)
- voting and fraggedmessage smaller
- timeout option (all players freeze - could be usefull during cw's if problems comes)
- map_list command what shows what maps server has (it prints to console)
- new efreeeze connection image (i can make one - using my previously known frozen q3 logo)
Decky Told :
- new efreeeze connection image (i can make one - using my previously known frozen q3 logo)
Yeah nice idea. Maybe even more than one loading picture, a random picture on load from the community's work, coz i ve really found Spiral's work imaginative and beautifull.
Fix: The new admin feature ad_forceteam appears to have a bug: i used it and the player was invisible in player list (TAB) more he was friendly skined but in the enemy team.
keep 'em coming ...
Hm.. im thinking about global banlist of cheaters, but it's more complicated than it looks like.
When new version is set to be released? I can commit for beta testing if there is a need
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I sure can beta test, needed before any releas.
I would like to have some speedometer :P
and yes the delays coused by positive timenudge are quite difrent at 1.02 1.2.0 and freezedt with ping 50-70 ofcourse :P.
Adding ef 1.02 frozen looks would be nice i want old thaws :P.
well some ppl still want to have some new vsays ;p
fixing text colors?:P ie orange
NoNE, i trust you, whatever you do, don't overkill this new mod with walruses and baloons.
and for sp1ral, this girl is perfect for you:
(fjortis = a person with lack of brains, desperate to wear trashy clothes and have sex, be 14 or have a 14 year old's behavior, typical for this group is love for cheap music like Linkin Park and so on. (Fjorton means fourteen in swe). Most girls who are fjortisar are though mostly hot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKgrfeH_FeE
hehe
...not mentioned in none's abstract so again...
/inactivity drop not working properly - please fiX this afk's are so annoying!
/fix spawning 2 persons in one!
/introduce different spectating views: ego/third person/freefloat - teamspec only???!
/besides smaller fonts in spec maybe have names as they are colored?
/model settings: make it possible to have one enemy_team model BUT also original (as set by players) teammodels
/make it possible to check /wall 1 in efreeze to make it easier to look at demos
/@ spiral also? make new/different design skins for the railgun
/smaller fonts for all variables on screen (score, lagometer, date, time, ...) -----> teamoverlay also a bit smaller, so more players are visible on it
/gauntlet suddendeath option - gauntlet kills with one touch. makes the gaunt handling more interesting?
/make computer voice say "accuracy!" as in insta mods when hit for example 3 players in a row.
/just suggestion: introduce "power ups" flight/haste/invisibility/
/find different design for triangular floating over teamplayers - maybe a "frost sign"? spiral master?
/make one hook option to have same as osp freeze (its a metal string and with it come sounds to hear hook)
/... more to come ... all of the ideas suggestions of course, I don't cry if you don't find them valuable or useful, but i will keep trying Also the programmers should check out osp freeze, if they have time - just tried it once but the gameplay there was quite nice, maybe we can also "copy" some ideas from osp freeze and ufreeze...
haha, you have done it again abz, with many ideas i mean!
But they are all nice ideas. You can add haste, invisibility, but don't flight ffs : )
And Battle Suit, so you need to be hit 2 times in order to die muhahhahahahahah : D
And gauntlet, today it's 3 hits, make it 2, coz 1 is too big change for us, we must wait another
1 year before we are ready for 1 hit : D
We have some good designers imho (decki aka spiral, and shimoda).
If everyone agree it would be good if they designed new look for the eFreeze mod, like quake menus, hud, scoreboards and etc.
But before we should elaborate requirements to them.
My vision that menus should be more authentic, and hud and scoreboards should be more informative and ergonomic.
The retired Lieutenant from Russia has spoken.
/admin_vote f1 for svarog
/g_admin_lol @ monkey's comments once again
Spawning in enemy isnt fault of spwans it self, had many occasions to walk through and see how ppl walk through eachother i think its a net client setting bug :P but i can be wrong ;p
thought would be nice to have more spawnspots like on noghost-item spots used for spawning.
flight is funny but with fast hook its useless :P
well if there is no hookdealy time it has no sense abz :P
slowing down the hook would probbably start wining most of the community that mod got slower. I dont like hook faster then 1200 and 0 delay we can try to use greater pullspeed and bit lower hookspeed :P like hookspeed 1350 and pullspeed 850 :P or getting some delays
just ideas :P 8-)
"slowing down the hook would probbably start wining most of the community" including me!
/reconnect prevent people from this abusive command!
About reconnect, I just think you have to force player to spec one minute after joining a server. It should be enough boring for reconnectors and it could motivate people to say "Hello" before joining
I agree Atrey about menus, and options. It needs to be esthetic and usefull. I really like new efreeze scoreboard and menus. But the idea of smaller fonts for spectators isn't bad. Just a bit smaller will fit perfectly, I think. And a screen to display during login or a nice background could be cool too, you just have to do something that works with the menus (not too much things on the screen, no text on the same place than options menu, colors different from the menu).
Don't know if I am the only one who thinks that, but the mod itself has gone more in more in a camping direction... in that light I would at least make it possible to have an /anti camp in the mod - this could give the game more speed - any maybe more fun again. how does this anticamp work anyway? if you dont press a direction/movement key for more than 5 seconds you get a warning? and after 3 more seconds /kill? if we find the right amount of time here we could benefit from this - in 1.16 noghost "doomy's mod" it works nicely...
About anticamp ... You set an adjustable radius in which it will check for adjustable seconds if the person is in it and if he is, it will kill him ... He can as well get a message (or not) several adjustable seconds before he gets killed ...
The problem is there are situations happening in every map which is not "intentional camping" and players will get killed for it ... One of such, which is happening in every map, is for example thawing ... You can't always thaw someone in 3 seconds ... Let's give an example, you're thawing and there comes an enemy, I see lot's of people running around thaws or just left and right, sometimes he gets too far and can't thaw as he tries to kill the enemy and this last for several seconds, in such cases player will get killed for camping (depends on how many seconds this last) ... There are several situations/scenarios like that ... We had it once and we know the problems, it was removed from older version with a reason ... Shift your thinking in such situations and you'll see where is the problem with anti camp and why it was removed ...
If there will be an anti camp, it would have to be polished in every fucking detail, which is gonna take time and major beta testing ...
BTW, some great ideas I saw here, hope more will follow ... Let's keep talking about ideas, we'll go in detail about them later ...
What could be interesting is to add a command to play demos with wallhack like in freezedt cg_playwall 1 (i dont remember the command). And you could add stats like accuracy killing streak gaunt/rail...
Anticamp in noghost is adjustable u dont have to get killed :P depends of settings dead\spawned. My idea for making it more fun dead\taking damage\spawning :P
Well would be nice to check other mods to steal some ideas :P. Like nick effects bluring\fading etc .:P I know it will be more work hope so we shouldn't get to ambitious for some ideas are to complex. Remember that Q3 has large community and asking for help other modders will be good ;p.
good idea insy
psy - i've written this idea but i dont blame you
new idea: is it possible to remove this "weapon drop"? as no one ever needs new railguns in a game and its a sound when picking up fallen weapons and its sometimes blocking the vision - who needs this?!
And what about decreasing thawing time when more than one player is thawing a frozen buddy ? It could add some teamplay, if you can help thawers in an other way than covering them (with an option to disable it, ofc, like /s_multipleThaw).
Gay idea Svarog
in itself the idea is not bad - but i would not implement it: inorder to use it you'll have to train - but no training on public servers is possible due to no teamplay at all in public + would thus take a long time to get used to. I think it's not practical...
i have a crazy idea: no scores at all! maybe people would try to play in team once in a while - i see cattle only running from thaw to thaw and shootpoint to shootpoint blocking each other.... not even thinking a little bit like a soldier just "score score score" ... team scores only and the game would be good again...
The drop weapon stuff....i use weaponswitch 1 so when i am with gaunt and i walk on a railgun it switches (i use it as a quick shot), i bet i am the only one in the whole community using this trick =p
@insa, nick effects like shadows won't look good on efreeze scoreboard - why? coz font is smaller than in other mods
Idd adam and i think that shadows in nicks suck anyway :P even with larger fonts. Well i have no idea how will the new scoreboard will look like :P so picking any effects or having none of them isnt so important just and idea :P well having a column like scoreboard would be fine too :P
Monkey Told :
The retired Lieutenant from Russia has spoken.
Posted on 29 January 2008 at 15:16:00
...monkey and his god-like comments
This reconnecting thing can be annoying sometimes. How about the idea like in cpma that ppl who joins the team has to wait round to be finished 1st and then they can play? Or they get frozen immediately when they join the team. Something... would be nice...
Another thing which is freeze basics, autothaw time as persentage top right corner (if i recall it right). Could be usefull - dunno.
autothaw persentage - it's good, coz if someone is thawing u, he know if he's far enough to thaw u :P
And we could had: if someone starts to thaw a guy and is stopped at 75 percent, the next one only needs to complete the 25 percent left.
but sometimes a round can last for ages
Enemy models setting, personaly i like and im using one and the same model for team and enemy. Is it possible to use variable that would turn it on\off so there would be no configuration issues? :P
"And we could had: if someone starts to thaw a guy and is stopped at 75 percent, the next one only needs to complete the 25 percent left. "
Personally i think this would easy too much thawing. Thawing should be lil harder in middle of fight so i prefer how it is like now.
I like Spiral's Autothaw-Percentage idea very much!
But in my opinion "Part-thaws" as psy suggested is not such a good idea: 1. as deem said some rounds would last even longer. 2. This would ultimately undermine my thawing-skills 3. For thawing is a skill, it should be kept that way
oh just see spirals comment... well agreed with him
part thawing > dont change rules of game plz
I proposed an idea =S anyway that could only be an extra command.
everything _must_ be as additional command, according to None's vision of world :P
And i agree with that!
unban me 89.149.241.160:27966
it was beast who didn't want me to spec a regular fn cw(obviously). I dislike when abusive noobs have adminrights, he could had asked me to leave the server.
Abt thaws its visible that there is part thawing in freeze :P ie when u are around frozen ppl and try to thaw them if u leave before the thawtime someone else has some miliseconds to keep them thawed :P
partial thawing with unlimited "warmth" time ;p isnt good idea couse it would mess the speed and i'll bet there would be more and more thawsteals :P.
well dunno if someone metioned it :P Antichatfrag :P
yeah, partial thawing exists in a way, so leave it at that (though its sometimes bad for me
antichatfrag is not a bad idea, but as there are so many afk's and talking all the time it would be really annoying to wait for all these people - after all it's a shoot 'em up game - talks can go spec!
Yes abz! : )
Few suggestions more:
- When u spec someone, his/her name shows up similiar like in cpma (small text, different location - in cpma its bottom). See the image:
NOTE: there u can see also that recording demo font is smaller too - that would be nice addon too.
- Date in scoreboard. Just look the image and see how it is in cpma (bottom). Web site address is optional as well maybe eFreeze mod and version too. So everytime when u press TAB to see scores u will see date n stuffs in bottom too. Image:
- New console background... like in ra3 mod its transparent. Image:
Can't say if everyone likes these addons (after all, thse are bling bling stuffs). But i dont like big texts in my q3 screen and if all fonts and alerts/text etc are adjustable, fonts could be smaller. And date in scoreboard would be usefull btw.
- When u spec someone, his/her name shows up similiar like in cpma (small text, different location - in cpma its bottom). See the image:
it's probably adjustable by cfg, coz i have that message on top
i like spirals input! transparent console would be awesome! drawing date and smaller fonts is a good idea too! nice!
I already have transparent console.
Its like in the defrag mod, all fonts are adjustable, and their place on screen too.
Also, the demo cams in defrag pwns (camera views, ghosts etc, but its done only for making movies imo).
Moreover, some made a "server bot" for defrag servers with stats data and commands. Its like !mytime and the bot answers the best time you made, or !top5 and it answers the top 5 times. Make me think efreeze could have some stats like *Killing streak* *more time without beeing fragged* etc (any stats suggestions are welcomed).
What do you think?
"*Killing streak* *more time without beeing fragged"
yea those could be nice . How about kill/die +/- stats? I wonder if those all can fit in same scoreboard... >.>
how about average per minute in the scoreboard?
1. Closing doors do not squash corpses.
2. Corpses can't go into teleports.
Deem that would be unnecessary i think.
And Atrey i like your ideas but i don't like them at the same time, takes away some fun when u wanna play in fun ways
1.mute vsay :P
2.fix forceclients (adding bots issue):P
3.forgot about 3 things which i wanted to write
. Hope i will get those thougts back soon ;p
Lots of ideas for next release... i hope it's not the christmas 2010 release...
f1 for monkey, i need those things sometimes to pWn faster again
for stats: thaws, thaws and oh yes, thaws
I mentioned the computer voice says "Accuracy" - same time I would drop out "defense" by computer voice and it's signs, cause it's a cft thing not a tdm thing...
I downloaded this new efreeze thingys on this "D server" no idea who made it... but the new purple railguncolor is a funny thing - though there should be more creativeness! also the transparent console should be made half-transparent (as shown in spirals screenshot) because when you drop down the console now, you can't read a thing
it's just custom skinpack,
Net is full of things like that
im using wAr weapons pack on OSP
about motd >
how about some things like current time/map/server uptime/etc ?
screenie under is from e+
What I thought about already was suggested but some ideas kind of disturb me. Those are the ones about gameplay.
I believe such ideas should be discussed, parametrized, and we should all vote for a default server configuration file.
The other ideas (graphic) are client sides, so adding possibilities would mostly be an improvement..
Great ideas everybody, and Mark, Keep up the good work! 
another idea:
when spectating players (when you are frozen) and you get hit by gauntlet/rail the spectator mode jumps to the one who hit you - it's really annoying! maybe turn that off!
ye i agree on that one Abz!
and now something off topic but i find this one very interesting, it's this historical gathering at Nurnburg with the troops, 1 million troops in fact, but it's not only that which makes this vid interesting, watch the whole thing, and you will be surprised by how it ends LOL, see for yourselves, i understand nothing by the end
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p7fACVej0FI
naaaaaaaaaaaaa abz, that's mainly funny and its the way to get someone's attetion while ur frozen
. I like it.
When i play i force models, enemies to green keels and teamates in whatever i want. But sometimes (especially in clan wars) when i spec 333 i see them as enemies (green keels) whereas id prefer to watch them as teamates. Is there a way to fix that? (an option which makes that the one you spec is always teamates skined/modeled or enemied or randomed).
hehehehehehehehehe
pSylle Told :
When i play i force models, enemies to green keels and teamates in whatever i want. But sometimes (especially in clan wars) when i spec 333 i see them as enemies (green keels) whereas id prefer to watch them as teamates. Is there a way to fix that? (an option which makes that the one you spec is always teamates skined/modeled or enemied or randomed).
Posted on 13 February 2008 at 17:46:13
It is possible.
Crosshair names only for team-mates.
BOLO > Psylle
atrey Told :
It is possible.
And... can we know how ?
BOLO <3 pSylle?
fix phantom hook :P tbh there is less of this but sometimes i see grapple string wondering around map :P in some map points it comes out of models.
How is that mod coming, none?
=)
In tournament game make the second score window reflect the opponent score (now it shows 0).
fix vsay bug if its possible some times wrong client names are shown using the vsays ;p.
make same protection as on 1.32 pb /name flood protect, /vsay flood protect... /reconnect protect
Moreover i dont know if the say / vsay buffer overflow bug is already fixed but if not, servers can be crashed.
Add GENERAL SOCIETY RULES AND ALL SHOULD FREAKING READ IT
like net settings etc and no f*cking using any p2p download\upload shit wile plaing f*cking shit
Change (Override?) spawning algorithm.
Imho, whenever a player spawns, server should choose a spawning point depending on the following settings:
- A = Sum(distance[ennemy,spawnpoint]), for every ennemy, with a minimum treshold setting
- B = Sum(distance[frozen_ally,spawnpoint]), for every frozen ally, with a minimum treshold setting
- C = Sum(distance[ally,spawnpoint]), for every ally
It should have as little A, B and as much C as possible.
This would limitate spawn frags both ways. Also, no "lucky" spawns nearby frozen allies (which generally are camped, anyway).
well, it should =D
as u have rcon, Ben, u can try adjust g_spawnEnemyRadius
Ben, i can tell you have been in school too long, ppl get hurt that way : )
Dis a member of freezeDT US community on 1.32 asked for some s/cvars in efreeze mod. Thats quite interesting: Theres a dmflag to turn off those railguns laying on the floor, the frozen bodies are white (and they breath steam as far as i remember), and finally when you grapple someone you can travel with him, he told that people appreciate that last one =D
/sounds_good 1
making a guantlet time limit would be nice, just a thought to make less camping ;p, wpchange script makes the shots seem unlagged like still saw many that shoot through anyway.
ignore for client usage, when someone is pissing u off u can mute him to urself ;p.
ignore for client usage, when someone is pissing u off u can mute him to urself ;p.
thought of atrey in other thread of forum:
+1 andy
this can make a new feature in the mod:
automatic player unban after some period of time
this feature could leverage admin's work on tracking players' bans.
lol check this absinthe pwnageeee
go abbie hehe : >
evolution Told :
lol check this absinthe pwnageeee
go abbie hehe : >
Posted on 19 March 2008 at 15:37:03
3 days banned for this man 
bah yeah, well sorry for that! Seems I can't get a higher temperature without being watched!
anyway, this brings me to my next point i wanted to add
please make /min /max borders for settings like /maxpackets /rate /snaps... then lagZZZZZZZZ may begone?!
Those values are set from server side but if anyone uses other mods, and there are many of those nothing cant be helped, and ppl lag mostly couse they use p2p thats f*cking up their pings etc. some of them do it intencionaly just like modifing the cfg for not getting hit so easly.
Thats why adam suggested that those settings may be viewed from admin side.
oh well, thx insy for the explanation! I am for this then!
Hello euro ppl.. heres one of my ideas
I was lookin through the cfg but didn't see it so this is the freezedt command.. im sure efreeze has it but
for seta g_inactivity
instead of just kicking the inactive player from the server is it possible to maybe if you set it to 2 .. it kicks or forces the player to spectate instead?
dis
ye dis! nice idea, although i already had it! but no problem since you coulnd't read the 22 sites of forum
spawning points were also mentioned but i want to repeat them cause they are very important - i spawned in 5vs5 in dm7 exacetly in the middle of enemies...
Instant freeze (and noone cant thaw) when u join the team!! Just look how osp, ra3 and cpma have made the gameplay so well. The person who joins the team, he needs to wait in team before red or blue scores - then he can play. This feature would help a lot in efreeze since there is lots of those lame reconnecters
But if you join a server with only lame campers, you have to wait a lot before playing :/ But it's better than the actual situation, I agree. If people was respecting the rules, we wouldn't be obliged to do such a thing.
Works good in osp/cpm mods.
absinthe Told :
ye dis! nice idea, although i already had it! but no problem since you coulnd't read the 22 sites of forum
spawning points were also mentioned but i want to repeat them cause they are very important - i spawned in 5vs5 in dm7 exacetly in the middle of enemies...
Posted on 28 March 2008 at 09:42:08
doh hehe
33. Dunno if it's possible, but can mod deny downloading files by autodownload? I mean it should let download _only_ .pk3 files
34. g_doready 1 doesnt work for 1v1 mode
35. disabling freeze mode to play some vq3 on our nice mod :P
36. there is something wrong with logging ip of cheaters > i have same connection, difference in time is 15 secs, one ip is from poland, second from finland.
37. g_forceclients has conflicts with bots and gtv ( they cant authenticate as efreeze clients )
don't know if it's easy to make or not... but it would be cool to have some more color-options
for more colors i think it s gonna be pretty hard ... if it appears to be possible and i really dont think so
I WANT SNOW IN EFREEEZZZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!! com on it s freeze ... we get frozen there must be snow !!! i m sure it s possible just ... maybe complicate i dunno ... but then maybe steal it from ufreeze ? muhahaha ]
Ciao WeedAssault
snow should be possible, if we steal it... btw. anyone got nice railgun skins? if so, please contact me!
Monkey Told :
and .. what we can do with ? masturbation ?
In PKArena railgun is a fucking magnum ... until efreeze i was using that as a railgun and seriously ... that was GOOD
bt ... never could with efrereze ... didnt try much thought
yea and btw !!!
i fucking miss my big magnum ... never could use that since efreeze is out ... WOULD BE seriously AWSOMEEEEEEEE you add that in next efreeze version !!
I've another simple idea (I don't know if someone already proposed it) but why not adding a little video while introducing the game ?
We can do just the logo of quake which is freezing (2-3 seconds) or something like this. Maybe even a nice frag and with guy who is freezing in the air, why not :-)
I know that there is a nice tool to make quake-compatible videos (with extension .RoQ) that you can find there :
http://www.swift-tools.net/Quake/QVM/
It's just an idea but it could be cool. Even if the video takes 20-30 MB, I don't think it is a problem, we are downloading huge map-packs often...
NoNe, do you make any progress at the mod?
anti p2p, most ppl just cant imagine that thats gay wile plaing online
;p +RULES BOOK ;p. Are Ctf settings chnageble ie is it possible to get frozen at ur own teambase?:P.
a cheat question, when a player has a bot, can this player then push a button to switch it off and on ?
Monkey Told :
a cheat question, when a player has a bot, can this player then push a button to switch it off and on ?
Posted on 12 May 2008 at 12:07:58
yes , its same wallhack red ass 
And i think you can bind autofire on a key too.
Had a quite funny bug with ad_clientlist the ip displayed wasnt mine
but from germany! lol
after reconnection it went normal. First time this happened. ;p
make UnnamedPlayer dissalowed and empty nicks to ;p
make NoNE reply here.
Make malpa less gay!
What i would like is the information that is given when someone is killed or thawed to be in specific colors. ********************************************************************************************************* Example: .RvL*impiro was killed by Random nub. so to my team this would appear in the color RED. ************************************************************************************************************* .RvL*impiro was thawed by RvL*noob. This could be Blue for example. ************************************************************************************************************** Green for - > RvL.ImpiRo fragged random nub. ************************************************************************************************************** yellow or some other color for: Enemy team thawed enemy teammate... ************************************************************************************************************* Now ofcourse not everybody may want to use this or prefer different colours. So it would be cool if this was just an option to turn on and off and choose colous for...And nice option to add would be to override custom nickname colors or not... IS this possible? I must say i do have my doubts that it is... ************************************************************************************************************** I still plead for fixed spawns: So no random spawns, only spawns near teammates....I also dont know if this is hard or even impossible to make but i think this would improve both public and clan matches..
hmm i got another idea.
are you guys able to fix the problem with going through doors on maps as spectator?
coz as you prolly know, the whole screen shakes, if you try to walk through a closed door as spect
Add some more voice commands;p
add nonek is ghei and isnt responding!
atrey is back and i tried to bring none and him together but didnt succeed so far, maybe you 2 send pm's/emails?
anyway, maybe also good thing would be to lock teams or after connecting you have to wait for some time to play, such a thing would ensure less (gay) reconnecters
Nah locking teams isn't a good solution, coz teams may become unbalanced when two or three people from the same team are disconnecting at the same moment, maybe to have sex together.
But as someone said, when you come to a server preventing people to join the game directly could be cool. Maybe just 10 seconds could be enough to prevent them from abusive reconnections. And maybe that people will say hello, if they can't play directly =D
Indeed for both reasons named by Andi & Thomas, it would be great to have a 10s time-span without possibility to join-game to whoever joins the server.
Decided to make some progress.
Scheduled tasks:
1. connection time-span for reconnecters
2. score-lossless team change
3. updated respawn logic, which, in theory, will make respawns closer to "friends" and further from "enemies".
4. optional in-place respawn (respawn where you were frozen).
Take a look @ the 15 last pages, there are some nice ideas =D
I'm at work now. No time to look through.
If only some1 summarized the topic :P
call me on msn some time
adam*pl Told :
call me on msn some time
yes , yes ..
call me too ...
Guys (Adam, Hotlea), I have only 2 days to test and debug new features before my vacation.
If anyone is interested in it we can arrange tests these days.
Otherwise, it could be done after the vacation. Anyway, it is not matter of rush. But, I wanted to get some comments from the community about them.
You got my mail
Monkey Told :
admin exist here ? delete this 
bacon you are just another faker that don't appreciate humor, we don't care about you. I thought it was funny : )
![[big]](../images/smileys/bigleu.gif)
toky ![[lo]](../images/smileys/coucou.gif)
bacon you are just another faker that don't appreciate humor, we don't care about you.
bacon you are just another faker that don't appreciate humor, we don't care about you.
Ok, guys. I've sent the updated mod to Adam for testing.
All the scheduled tasks except in-place spawning were implemented.
Also fixed very annoying bug with the default value ef_enemyColor/ef_teamColor.
Thank you atrey-all-mighty !
Hey guys!
Well, I'm back from my honeymoon vacation and ready to proceed with the mod testing. Who is in?
NoNe promised to contact me in msn but still hasn't done it (so, this is a reminder
).
I hope you took pictures of the nice places you went to, please upload them here Atrey!
And a pic of you would be extra interesting : )
This is me and my wife.
Just sick, one of the best pics my eyes ever witnessed! Just look at that outfit you both have,
your wife looks nice, worth fighting for, dying for, DEFEND THE MOTHER LAND!!!!
Regards, monkey!
lol looks like a postcard, the perfect couple
nice pic Atrey
Woooo, very nice pic man =D
You look like a really nice .... cow xD
Psy , in france its not a good thing to have horns when you are not a cow , but in thier country i dont know
perhaps it can be a sign of fertility or virility ?
and yes its is a beautiful postcard
lol i look in a topic about new ideas for efreeze and i see a picture of some couple ? what the hell is going on in here !?
Jero, it's not a picture of some couple, it's a picture of THE Couple!
AHAHAHAHA Jero, feel the love <3
any new ideas?
absinthe Told :
any new ideas?
Posted on 24 November 2008 at 11:22:52
fix ze through shots ;p
I believe we should add a few additionnal protections (connection timespan is very nice to protect against reconnectors)
Thawsteal protection algorithm:
Somebody starting to thaw a team mate should raise an event which code would be:
StartedThawingEvent(FrozenPlayer, ThawingPlayer)
{
FrozenPlayer.FormerThawer := ThawingPlayer;
}
Somebody shooting a frozen body should raise an event which code would be:
ShotOnFrozenBody(FrozenPlayer, ShootingPlayer)
{
If ((FrozenPlayer.Team == ShootingPlayer.Team) And
(FrozenPlayer.FormerThawer != ShootingPlayer)) Then
{
ShootingPlayer.NotThawablePlayers.Add(FrozenPlayer)
}
}
Somebody being thawed should raise an event which code would be:
Thawed(ExFrozenPlayer)
{
ExFrozenPlayer.FormerThawer := None; // Not the player 333None
// None like NULL (<3 for you geeks.)
}
Somebody being killed should raise an event which code would be:
Killed(KilledPlayer)
{
For Each Player In KilledPlayer.Team Do
{
If ((Player.isFrozen() == True) And
(Player.FormerThawer == KilledPlayer)) Then
{
Player.FormerThawer := None;
For Each Player2 In KilledPlayer.Team Do
{
If (Player2.NotThawablePlayers.find(Player) == True) Then
{
Player2.NotThawablePlayers.remove(Player);
}
}
}
}
}
OK it may look a bit complicated, but it's really simple. It won't prevent people from shooting a thaw to make it less exposed (a thawsteal protection consisting of avoiding frozenbodies to move would do that). And if the thawing player dies, the thawstealer still can thaw (he ain't prevented from thawing anymore since the "Former Thawer" got frozen himself.
Of course, it won't prevent everything, for instance, the thawstealer may shoot the frozenbody in order to expose it so the thawing player gets frozen which in turn allows the thawstealer to thaw both bodies. If such possibility becomes a general laming behaviour, it shouldn't be hard to set a count per player of thawstealing attempts deprecating w/ times which when reaching a given treshold would lead to an exclusion of the thawstealer.
I'll soon post another protection idea, this time targeted against spam (it should be based on a simplified Damerau Levenshtein algorithm ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damerau%E2%80%93Levenshtein_distance)
I have an idea, if you choose to set cg_drawgun 0 you cant see the gun, maybe the sight can change color to actually tell you when the gun is reloaded.
Does anyone like that idea? Would be useful to me!
just steal osps green people (its more brighter and greener lol)
why not set servers that a player looses health when jumping from too high... he may crater or get gaunted faster, it would add a little "spice" or a difficulty to the game to make it more interesting
Ben, it could be even more simpler. If a player is being thawed, it just can't be moved by any weapon shot/hit from team-mates other than the thawer. So, a mate who started thawing is the only mate who can move the frozen bodies (if he wants).
Frozen bodies which are not thawed can be moved by everyone.
all good ideas, maybe too complicated over all. to me the best is still to "ban" thawstealing, meaning it is a community rule not to thawsteal; thawsteal = when a player started thawing another moves the body that he will get the thawscore.
its a public phenomenon of course. tell people we dont want it, i watch for thawstalers always and there are really not many who do that, when you see a person, it's mostly the same ones, with a few punishments it should be done as well, kick/ban for some time (at hardest!)...
i had another idea: why make joining in a match not in the same manner as quake live clan arena meaning that a player presses join match (red/blue/auto) button and then he/she starts at the end of a 1 score round. then there cant be any "noob-joints" like being last when joining when the team has frozen all other players - it's very annoying i think! furthermore we could introduce auto-balance of teams. for clanwar this rule could be applied too, but i am not for it in this case - so different settings for "official matches".
not really for the forced auto-balanced teams... sometimes in zs practise we do 2v5 amongst each other on purpose.
still i stick by my idea of making the mod unlagged like freezeinstaunlagged and freezedt
unlagged means hitting when you shouldn't, no?! to me it seems so, one shot is far from the enemy and hits another one doent even if i point directly at the target...
make it unlagged and its just like noghost with hook.
Pro: i like it :P, we could get lots of new faces to ef from 1.16.
Con: if it was that great for every1 we would have made it unlagged a while ago. Some people just cant or dont want to change and i understand that they love the mod as it is.
so for me thats fine, i just go to 1.16 if i wanna play unlagged (and believe me -> that doesnt implicate that i never shoot through or miss some WTF-i-hit situations)
if its possible: /cg_delag 1 / 0 to turn client side unlagged on / off could help every1 to get what they want xD. i just dont know how that works with serverside part of unlagged?
so overall: let the community decide
the next things i would add (sorry i havent read every post):
timeouts (can be called by each team during matches if some1 times out or just to switch players)
pause (a cmd only for ladder refs / admins which can be used if there are problems of any kind)
anticamper (set to any value the person that camps gets a warning and dies after ignoring that - could be set to something around 15 seconds)
lockteams (useful for wars, not necessary as i think most that join ef servers are nowadays grown up enough not to jump into an ongoing match)
those are the things i miss compared to noghost.
yea, like noghost... it will start to suck.
NoGhost and CPMA have worst unlagged style for railing
Anyway we talked about unlagged in past ( and tested ) and it sucks =P. Playing 20v20 with unllagged is too easy.
20v20 is bullshit however u play it ...
wasnt efreeze only made to try make the mod anti-cheat ??? coz many people used to cheat in freezedt and got away with it??
anti-camper lol ;p haha in wars having that on would make it very interesting :P
It depends what you're calling "camp". I would prefer an anti-afk option. It seems that it exists but it's never enabled :-S
who could bring back 333Missy, we need some nice pussy around here for a change.
btw, i would rather go to bed with Svarog than Missy.
I've even a better idea : I'll invite you next time I'm at bed with Missy. Like that you will have both.
Don't be angry, Missy, I joke :-) By the way, Monkey is not the only one who wants to see you back. ;-)
ye inactivity dropping is a good thing but anticamper is gr8 for cws. its not that you cant keep a room then anymore its just to prevent people from hiding in some corner with gauntlet for like 5 minutes and to make the game faster and more dynamic.
in general gauntlet should be disabled like in insta-unlagged :P
i am absolutely against removing gauntlet shot! it's such a nice feature, i love it, though all should use weed server settings for that - i just cant get the gshot to work on every server like on weed. ...and still got no help 
inactivity drop is already in the mod, its just not used in server cfgs. it is a bit buggy though, thats why i demanded to fix it several pages ago.
we also talked about the anti-camp option before. in my experience this also doesnt work properly. you stay calm, then when moving again it still kills you. this would also mean a change in the gameplay we have atm. dynamic maybe an argument, but in general i am again absolutely against an anti-camp feature.
to make the game more interesting, i would go 1st with none: means stay-frozen after a round ends. 2nd. i am still for introducing far more custom maps than we have now! ppl refuse to learn them and fear loosing on it. new maps must be selected carefully of course! i alone cant decide if a map is good in a 5vs5 or a public game, thats why i'd recommend to introduce them slowly - put the same customs on all servers (admin arrangement) start with 3-5 new ones, try them a certain ammount of time (2weeks - 1month) remove those who dont fit and then introduce 3-5 new ones...
timeout option is a nice feature (which I also suggested pages before) - I am for introducing it. BUT the duration of the time out should be discussed before and, if necessary be adapted according to the needs.
I dont see why we would need a refree pause option though. give reasons.
thx doomy for the suggestions, not to be rude or anything but we dont need to make the mod exactely like "noghost"...?!
I thought about a "lock-team" option. It is generally not a bad idea, but in public you can seldomly use it and for clanwars it's not needed, as I haven't seen any noobish join-ins in a long time.
and a fn sidenote for refrees: since we had this big discussion about how many refrees in a match... I noticed that refrees are only present at important or rather "big matches" - ok we dont have many refrees atm. but to be absolutely fair and avoid double standards there should be a refree on EVERY single match played. or we should think about the need of refrees in a match at all (if not requested by one of the teams beforehand)
vote F1 for adam's proposal. gauntlet should be disabled. gaunt-shot is very annoying crap!
Efreez become like OSP mod. It's not bad just add the colours name like osp and it's good =P
why dont you like the gshot? We should make a poll about it, so the community can decide...
just to tell you why i like it so much atrey: i love the sound of the switching progress, when there's first the sound of the gauntlet and the railshot sound is cut off at the beginning. also (on weed server settings!) you get the feeling of "casting" the rail instead of just shooting. so to sum it up, a fair solution would be to enable/disable it server sided, but i would definitly leave it as option in the mod!
keep gauntshots ;]]
my signature pwnz ;]] xD
arent those stupid gauntshots just a lil cmd called weaponswitchdelay or something ? and yes i also think they suck xD.
i dont want it to be like noghost but i dont see why u r against it :P just becaus noghost uses stuff it doesnt make it worse. actually in many aspects noghost is more advanced while in others efreeze is and i dont see why ef shouldnt combine the good parts of both mods.
pause: it could be cool when like in the RW vs K&D match 2 RW players 999 and no subs are on spec. either players use like 3 timeouts or a ref just pauses the game for them - just helps avoiding such anoying situations.
why u say refs are only at big games? look at whitey, whenever he has time hes there. also gibon vs drc i saw him bein present. i myself watch some games when i see whitey isnt around, same goes for code. some clans complained that admins arent refs and shouldnt watch matches so thats why i stay away more and let ring/whitey handle it. still if u look at cw screens u can see that not only the big matches are covered but ofc if there are 2 matches at a time and 1 ref is present usually the better game is chosen (ud do the same :P). on the other hand if clans play that still have 1 player banned or any other exceptions we go there, at least for the first map to make sure everythings fine.
dont think this really belonged here tbh xD.
to anticamper: sure it kills u when u move. because it assumes u camp a certain place when u stay within a certain radius (which can be set to any value ofc). so its not enough to move 2 steps to the right not to be killed (would kill the whole purpose wouldnt it?). also ye its true, your clan would be one of those that feel the change the most as your tactics involve camping. for other clans it would be a great relieve knowing that their enemies cant camp them all the time. so that should be worth a poll i think.
maps: as i said like 100 times - my proposals are ospdm1, pro-q3tourney7 and fr3dm1. im also for adding more but ill have to test some others how they work with hook. i dont want maps on the list where people can hide above every room, u know what i mean .
damn these long posts :P
We tested a lot about the anticamp 4 years ago ... Most wanted it in, but when it was implemented things didn't go as we all imagined, problems soon arise and everyone wanted to get rid of it ...
You see it's easy to think that you'll get frozen if you don't move or move in certain radius, but when things are tested, it's totally different story. You think for example that 15 or 30 seconds are long, but when you'll be moving just left and right to kill players or thawing more thaws, you'll just be getting warnings about you camping and you'll get killed in few seconds if you don't move ... It just sucks ... And if you put anticamp on a minute or more, what's the point of it anyway ... Also it never is a problem to hook on roof and ground and just have another minute or more for it ... Of course depends on the settable radius ...
It is great in theory, but in practice it is just a total disaster ... We can test it again of course and you can see it for yourself ...
As for gauntshoot, some ppl like it others don't, blame Adam for starting promoting it ;-)
Of course there's a setting for switching delay, which can be set to normal and this won't be doable ...
Also you can totally disable gauntlet in any mod through cfg ...
As for timeouts, well again it could be great in theory, but all I had from it was bad experience ... Especially in noghost clanwars, when ppl did a timeout because someone needed to take a leak and we waited there for 5 minutes ... And as he wasn't back within those 5 minutes they took another timeout ... Not to mention third was used for some other bloody reason ... And then you're like waiting in a clanwar for 10 minutes and can't do shit about it as they have their 3 timeouts to use ... After some clanwars it became so boring and annoying we never played there again nor we ever probably will ... Even if only admins would be able to use it, it would just get abused too many times and if it wouldn't, there'll be drama about admins not giving them a timeout ...
Again, I have nothing against implementing things mentioned ... We can do that and test it for ourselves and then decide ... I'll stick with what majority likes and wants ... Just throwing my experience and opinions in the topic ...
ye u mentioned most of the contras i guess :P. i also agree with what u said in most points. anticamper does work gr8 on 1.16, sometimes u get the warnings while u r trying to kill a bunch of people, thats true but as far as i can tell on 1.16 every1 adjusted to it and learned to use it as an advantage even. plus: shouldnt hook make getting out of the radius even easier? u can just quickly leave the area and hook back, combine that with some kills and it can be seen as a manouver to avoid being hit :P.
we could give each team just 1 or 2 timeouts maybe so they have to use it whisely. make those about 1.5 - 2 mins long and its enough time to either restart the router, reboot the pc even in most cases and the score wont be affected much by some1 getting and unexpected disconnect.
if we make it a ref-only option that would implement that for every match 1 ref is present to assure every team the same chances. also every ref has to stick to certain rules for when to use the timeouts / pause. so there should then be 1. some more refs as 2 (or 5 with admins) cant cover every single match atm and 2. a table stating all possible cases when a referee should interact in form of a timeout. so that takes lots and lots of organization compared to the team-called timeouts.
the gauntshots i can live with, i dont love them but they just made their way into efreeze and for many players became an important feature of the mod .
to the hook to the roof/ground thingy -> does ac radius even take up/down movements into account? the 1.16 ac only wears off when moving out of some sort of cylinder - so only when u get out of range horizontally.
chill doomy ;>
you got some point there ofc. and ofc I am for creating a divine efreeze mod out of all mods we got at our disposal, noghost, osp freeze, ufreeze, freezetag... the only difficulty is to agree on what are these good things!
we can test anticamper with a small radius - funny you think that camping is "our" tactic the time-out option could be tested as well, start with 1min and 1 timeout. but in the end we should make big polls about it to, as said, let the community decide.
in general i would not make too many rules for every little detail or incedent that may occur. as money isnt involved and we play for fun after all we should rely on the "common sense" of the teams keeping the game fair and sportsmanish
the thing with refs i was maybe not aware, but we could do with more refs - svarog, sobian, loxotron, tokz, alien - are some names i would suggest; usually this is stuff for fn forums true, but as maybe even a bigger part of the community watches the 333forums, i dont feel bad about dropping a line here.
happy easter!
im totally chilled
didnt want to sound harsh or anything
happy easter to u too xD
doomdirk should learn to speak german with abz ffs : D
don't call me blasphemic, as we have efreeze for quite some years now, i forgot about the advantages/disadvantages about freezeDT. would it be a good idea to just go back to freezeDT as americans still play that mod (on fn). or another freeze version/mod such as ufreeze, osp-freeze.... as the shooting seems to be the most argued point and creating an all new mod is just too time-consuming?!
i know you can't have enemymodels the way it is now and more stuff like accu on scoreboard, but as all would have to go back it is fair.
