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I know there are loads of posts about cheating people.. U all know that DeMo is in tor.. Well listen up..

Yesterday night, ToR DeMo went to a bar and stayed there a long time with friends.

At 23:50 in the evening, TOR Manuel and Sa1nT were playing quake, they saw a DeMo using aimbot and insulting tor.. King recorded him.. That demo spoke dutch..

I dont know who the fake demo was.. But I know, it wasnt the real demo.. I know it wasnt him because we cant play CW on saturday nights, because he goes out then.. Also, he wasnt on msn (which he is always while playing q3) and he didnt used his usual model and last, he used the dutch word "kanker" (=cancer), the real demo, never ever uses that word, (I only saw the real 1 saying it once, after I told him what manuel, saint and king saw)

Alrite here we go, yesterday I believe it was indeed demo cheating, when manu asked him why, he answered fuck tor, fuck q3 and when I said is that u demo? he answered with the usual answer: insulting me like always, then I knew it was him.

I think poison can look up in the log-files of the server demo's ip and compare it with the one of TOR Triplezone. Then this all will be solved. 

I read in topics here that ppl say, its only a small group, well yesterday after dmeo there was another one and i caught him on demo as well.

There were rumors going around 'bout demo and they have just been confirmed.

P.S. Im doing this cuz I hate cheaters and want them to f*ck off to let us play.

http://freewebs.com/cheaterass/demo0012.dm_67

http://freewebs.com/cheaterass/demo0014.dm_67

Watch the evidence

king its clear that the demo on this demo cheats, but you aint proven that it is demo by saing he insults me like always. even IF it was demo what do you prove with it? that he has a bot, yeah so what, having a bot is someting else as using a bot. someone who is cheating on this way wants to be cought, you realy think that someone who cheats regulairy will expose it like this. so this just say nothing, or its not demo, or it was him and he was drunk or had a other reson.


anyway this does not prove that the person on this demo is demo or that tor demo is using cheats when he is playing usualy.


so we have a law in europe unguilty until guild is proven. so comme with evidence that demo is cheating or shutup.

NOTE: Poison doesnt has logs on public servers.. too big

I find this enough and if you dont 2 bad 4 u. And i know it was him and everybody not cuz he scolded (look it up in the dictionary reb) me with the same words as always : zwerver, kanker and alot more so if this isnt enough go do ur homework plz and stop backing up a cheater and I presume with unguilty you mean innocent

You say having a bot is something else as using it? WTF if this demo hasnt shown u that he uses a bot indeed then you need some strong glasses

P.S. what makes you think I hate demo, he hates me thats something different there no?
Thaught so.

Hey Reb pls stop offending my little King... u can tell him ur opinion but finally dont offend him because he doesnt did it to u, didnt he ?

 

so pls stop that at lets bring this topic back to the facts ... omg i m startin to rhym again

the facs are that king shows as evidence a demo of a cheater who uses the name DEMO. he has no prove of what so ever that that demo is the real demo we all know from tor. and on those grounds he says demo cheats.


king i see that demo and i see he uses a bot i'm not blind, but i cant say for SURE on bases of that demo if its demo or not.

man, i hate cheaters just as mutch as all of us, but i don't accept that someone accuses a player on bases of sutch a shitty evidence.
and i'm not backing up a cheater, i'm backup a good player cos that is what demo is till its proven he cheats.



and ging why i attack king that is simple, the way he talkes here about demo, the way he talks in the arena and on the demo about him. those two can't clearly come true one door. king simply wants that that one on that player is demo (at least it seems to me in the way he talks about him). i just dont accept that someone can accusse someone else as a cheater on bases as he said things to me with are things everyone sais when there in a fight with someone. besides in the demo's i dont find these things back. and a demo whitch can be someone under a false name. i understand that you bring out if you found a cheater but at least be sure there is no doupt that its realy him and be sure you can prove its him.




and about its just a small group of cheaters i'm one of those who say that cos its true if on a group of a few hunderd players there are mabey 10 real cheaters and i mean those who are doing there best to look good by using bots. i find that a small number. this is clearly someone who is doing its best to been seen cheating, give me 3 real resons why someone would make his own name black.

poo poo, rebbie taking this to personal (again), hard words, hard words.. well, i gotta say this about it, if i see some1 cheating under a name from a person i know in quake, my first reaction wud be, wtf? why does he do that? why spoiling a (good) name. So if king says he thought it to be demo, sure can be, its HIS name right? so i dont understand ur 'attack' towards king, but if u guys say it wasnt demo, its fine with me. for myself i think demo wudnt cheat anywayz so enough of this, ok? lets keep nice all

Greetz, Steven

haha wtf u talking about, disappointed u, i know u were close to demo but u cant back up some1 just cuz u know him good, you gotta face the facts wether u like it or not. go back to playing and leave the talking to grown ups

and he has a bot so why would he not use it, thats nonsence u talking about, like buying a computer and not using it, like i said, leave the talking to us and u just go play.

also this thing smells, king and demo are not friends to say it soft. king is the onley one in the server who thinks its the real demo at the moment that the demo has been taken. the cheating is done sutch way he gets sureley cought. exedentely king is there and makes a demo and he brings this out. and king says the demo offended him after he sayed fuck quake3 bla bla why is that not on demo. this just smell more than a beer put.and how you explain that demo's friends confirm that he was not at home. king to many coincidents you can think what you want but i think this has nothing to do with demo cheating or not, there are just some peeps here triening to ruin a good name.

beer put

only thing i can say about it is "can u freeze bread ?"

hey hey,

ok so i have see the demo. and i dont think that this is the real demo(at least i hope not as he is a good player), there has been alot of name theft recenely, amica or some thing like that he post here saying that some 1 stole his name and was offending people, mayb demo pissed some1 off once and this was the revange, there is not bout that this demo cheats, but it does not take long to make a name up, i have been 333 soady b4 and it only take a second to do. i want to know what the ready demo says about this in a post nit just in a pass along message, i have speected lots of players b4 and demomwas one of them and i have seen him make good scores and not cheat, so y would he need to, it just does not make sence, if u are drunk then u would not play under your real name just incase u played bad, so y would he get drunk use the bot then offend people and use his real name, that just seam to silly, this look like it could be revange to me.



soady

Aye Aye aye

Wake up to find loads of posts in this:

Well really just think about it like this: would Demo be dumb enough to pull some shit like this, drunk or sober?
     No

Would Demo need to cheat?
     No

Is there any hard proof that this was the Demo we all know?
     No


I'm gonna go back to sleep now  thank you


Ciao

To say something : I have no Logs



I am glad taht tehere is only one cheater mail in the month , but while i play many distrub me with cheater stuff. I say, i hate more ppl want to find cheater then the cheaters themself!

I never felt owned by a cheater, and i play a long time now. I have only 4 banned IPS on the FreezeDT server because of bot using after 2 month...

i dont qant to say yes to cheating but its still not that problem...

the only "cheat" I hate is the lag cheat. MAybe many laggers have really bad conection but exspecialy on the 1v1 , many lag hardly for the others , only taht they are unhitable! And many of your progaymers are this kind of cheater too. Its 2 times harder to hit someone with maxpackets 15 and snaps lower then 20....only for having a sexy ping on scoreboard....
For me this is the only cheater problem i can realise!

After all: Try to play fair , be happy with the ping 48 (its a buuuugggg) and dont try to make others NAmes bad using cheap bots in public!!!!!!! Then we all have a good game and a lot of fun!


dA BuddhA

Mr*K!nG Told :

I find this enough and if you dont 2 bad 4 u. And i know it was him and everybody not cuz he scolded (look it up in the dictionary reb) me with the same words as always : zwerver, kanker and alot more so if this isnt enough go do ur homework plz and stop backing up a cheater and I presume with unguilty you mean innocent

You say having a bot is something else as using it? WTF if this demo hasnt shown u that he uses a bot indeed then you need some strong glasses

P.S. what makes you think I hate demo, he hates me thats something different there no?
Thaught so.

Posted on 19 December 2004 at 16:34:08

Ok king 1st) *thought so

           2nd) demo never uses zwwerver and kanker.. I know 1 how does that.. I think u all know who.. But I aint wanna tell it here.

mail to me

i dont know who xD

but i m not a dutch anyway if u have to be one to understand..

 

@poison: great so my ping finally can rest in peace with no fixes anymore xD

ok so i thinkk we are all sure that it was not demo now just some ass that used the neame demo to cheat with some n00b

wooo people i got a good idea!! (I) lets all go to 1.32! enjoy there without those cheaterblabla + u can play there without cd-key (on stemas server) the only thing u gotta do is download the setup and play ther! where are we waiting for?? cya, Steven

Heeej Quakers.... and Friends...

I heard from many people that im getting accused of using bot, i saw the Demo's my self, and i laugh hard because. Since MoR i Never used the name D(red) E(white) M(red) O(white) , other examples where : wrong Model , and the way he talked was wrong.

I dont Know who it was but i know that king like's it because he hate me...
A few days ago i was spectating him , and he makes a fast turn shot one hit.

My opinion to him about that sshot was 'It's looks like a aimbot shot" and that pissed him off, since then he dislike's me. (H8te)

Alibi :
Saturday 18 December i was at Killer's Place, exact clock our was 22:30... he will confirm, OK! He's a friend of me but he would not lie about that.
and around the time that i supposed to be playing, was i in my favorite Bar. (from 00:00 till 05:00)

..............................
P.s

I dont leave quake for this, and what you think about me cheating, tell me i would like to know what you have to say about it...

Cya... Quakers

Greetz Demo

we all know it was not demo now just some N00b wana B 1.32 sounds like a good idear what do the rest of u think to it :P

give me a valide key and i will do so

ging you dont need a key to play on 1.32 (at least not on all servers).


but i personaly dont like 1.32 lots of problems with servers having differnd mods and than your client is not pure anymore and you get kicked. also i dont think it will solve a thing the peeps calling others cheaters wont disipear by it and even cheating is still possible on 1.32 so i don't see any reson why we all have to migrade and run in problems like pure clients and a punkbuster who forces you to use settings and if not kicks you wile you have no clue why your kicked.

pb's settings are fair + a bit configuable i think? no? for the rest, no problem at all with the servers, and the pure client is also bs, there is only 1 mod on 1.32, which is freezedt a good mod, but maybe u can do osp freeze there 2.. so i dont see why we wont migrate

the problem of 1.32 is that most of our community guys are in 1.31 and wont migrate

so maybe i would be the only oni who kicks this 1.32 spoiled asses xD

 

Steven Told :

pb's settings are fair + a bit configuable i think? no? for the rest, no problem at all with the servers, and the pure client is also bs, there is only 1 mod on 1.32, which is freezedt a good mod, but maybe u can do osp freeze there 2.. so i dont see why we wont migrate

Posted on 20 December 2004 at 19:27:53


first, PB is configurable but if you set maxpackets to 30 for exemple after reinstalling PB kicks you after 30 seconds, some around here dont even know what console is so they will miss the warnigs get kicked and spam the forums with "i dont cheat why PB kicks me" and if someone gets kicked by that reson there will be peeps saiing he cheat cos he is kicked.


pure means that if you want to play you need to have autodl on cos if you dont you dont have the same files as the server, maps and skins included. the real problem is versions, every mod got differend builds lets say that server 1 uses build 1 and server 2 build 2. you go play on server one you download the newest mod but when you want to enter server one you get kicked cos your files are newer as the servers.

and i 1.32 is used one mod freezedt that would be for me and many with me a reson not to migrade to freezedt is the most instable, noobisch, and buggiest mod i ever seen. (mabey apart from F4A with its stupid sounds). and dont say how could you know i played on 1.32 differend mods and still i go back to 1.31 why cos its more simple and its more stable and you dont get mutch trouble with pure shit and PB with got on every server other settings.

also for me is 1.32 USA terrerory and way to big 1.31 is EU tiny place a community where everone knows everyone place so please lets focus on bettering it here in staid of put lots of effort in migration lose the half of the community who dont get it how to migrade or lose the track solving stuppid pure and pb problems or dont want to migrade. lag is called a thing why 1.32 is better but if everyone should use maxpackets 100 (as i seen more and more lately ) it will be mutch better with the lag also most lag is here server side not client side. if we just start to not over react on this kind of demo story's (on peeps trying to ruin someones good name) and let know the real cheaters (peeps who try to cheat without been seen) that they are not welcome.

here in 1.31 is where it should happen 1.32 is just another place but its not other people so we will run in there in the same problems as here mabey the cheating stops for a wile but the real cheaters will always find a new working cheat and the ones who call others cheater will not leave. we onley get more problems with peeps having problems joining servers ect.

You can wait very long time for hod servers on 1.32 I love 1.31 !!!
I will find a script taht filter text. if someone use the word cheater or bot he will be banned So we'll have a nice relax game too on 1.31 ! No, joke, but i still dont feel needed to switch!

can you make it that if some1 says something that includes /ocg_...
he gets banned too, thats the most used cheat I can think of.

and maybe min packets 50 so that noone can set it under that amount.

the problem with doing that is that commands are not send to server so chat can be contoled cos there send to the server, but commands not. so to bad but than you need to make a new client ass well.
and sinds peeps who cheat dont use that client (in fact are cheats just mod's with cheating features in it wo simulate to be a client mod of the server)
minimal maxpackets 50 would be nice but than you must again you need to make a new client there are mods who force there clients to have a specified maxpackets but that are more advanced mods. and again this can onley be done on client level. you can also make something like punkbuster does running a second program beside quake telling the server his settings but i think pb is not working with this in the right way it does not change the setting its just kicks you till you set it right, this is no way cos quake standard uses maxpackets 30 so peeps will get kicked not knowing what they do wrong.

making a new mod would be nice but you need to know lots of quake and be a verry skilled c++ programer with loads of time to make a mod.

82.157.208.156 - The Fakers IP! One warserver for free for the one who find out who (joke, but very thx!)

is this the ip of the fake demo, or was he faking a other name.

faking king/demo/killer this time...

ok now we just need to look for the persons ip i can have a look at people who have a acound on the 222 site maby stema and lyor can have a look for the person on the 333 site and lyors pics site i think they are active sites that u can get ips from ?

Nice idea mad, maybe that helps? I hope so

it was Tor Killer...(yes, the real one)

he wanted the pay some people back in quake, that annoyed him in the passed he told me...Killer is leaving quake so thats why he did this to all the people...

I hope this makes some things more clear....

hasta la vista

grrr what a n00b that makes me

still dont know why he used the name demo though does he not like demo or somthing

dont worry jakie - not important

ok np can some of you start to call me a cheater please i got better now but still no one calles me a cheater im weared i like to be called a cheater in q3

lol jack calling you a cheater, i dont like peeps calling nice players a cheater so i cant call you one, sorry.

i cant believe all this.

let me tell u somthing about bot users in 1.31.

1. they never use their own name.

2. they always talk shit.

3. they ussually  play on som1 elses name.

4. they are noob.

Trust me i know demo and killer, these guys are straight fair guys they dont cheat.

there was a cheater on supanet a year ago, i beat him a couple  times on p-dm6 1vs1, after that i didnt play there for a while, and when i came back everybody called me a cheater cous the real cheater was playing with my name and my settings.he blew his cover cous he didnt know dutch.

so i know what demo is feeling.

dont know many people that think u cheat just one thing about your low max packs thats all makes u harder to shoot but easy in a way as i shoot and you not there and for some reson i hit u i blam your max packs my i ask what they are set at please

 

if people call u a cheat send coppy and past your config  here

i dont know if you are talking to me, but my max packets are always 100.

but maxpackets settings has got nothing to do with cheating.

with some settings u can make ur skin go warp , and thats not exactly fair.but ur own aim will be bad too with it. ppl with very high ping will have this ne way.

SoNiC Told :

i cant believe all this.

let me tell u somthing about bot users in 1.31.

1. they never use their own name.

2. they always talk shit.

3. they ussually  play on som1 elses name.

4. they are noob.

Trust me i know demo and killer, these guys are straight fair guys they dont cheat.

there was a cheater on supanet a year ago, i beat him a couple  times on p-dm6 1vs1, after that i didnt play there for a while, and when i came back everybody called me a cheater cous the real cheater was playing with my name and my settings.he blew his cover cous he didnt know dutch.

so i know what demo is feeling.

Posted on 09 February 2005 at 12:08:11


tbh i donno why this is being re-opened? cos it was set straight a long while ago now but meh

maxpackets is not cheating fully but now most are getting into the higher amounts ( ) and isnt so bad..but a couple months ago every1 was using 15 it seemed (which ive never seen a point in - why make ur ping look lower when its really higher and u blow all that money buying a nice speedy connection lol...they were weird )....which is lame

meh

k sorry didnt know this was already set straight.

just wanted to say that botusers ussually use som1 elses name.

 

no worries amigo

reason enough to post